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Hello everyone! Last week, I was on a short holiday in Dublin (which was amazing btw, I'll post about it in the weekend) and was intrigued by the fact that signposts, street names and information on public buildings was all in two languages: English and Irish. Therefore, todays posts in the 100 things challenge is about languages, more specifically, the languages of the European Union.

The European Union has 23 official and working languages: Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portugese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish and Swedish. Being an official language of the European Union means that letters can be send to EU institutions and a reply received in any of these languages. Also, EU regulations and legislations are published in all of these languages.

The language spoken by most people as a mother tongue is German, though 51% of European adults can understand English. The smallest language of these is Irish, estimation of the number of native speakers of this language range from 20.000 to 80.000. Most of the official languages of the European Union are written in the Latin alphabet, with the exception of Greek, which uses the Greek alphabet, and Bulgarian, which is written in Cyrillic.

These are not all the languages spoken in the countries of the European Union though, there are approximately 40 minor languages, which include migrant languages such as Russian or Arabic, local languages such as Frisian (of which I am a native speaker!) and Corsican and the language of the gypsies: Romani. Though these are not official languages of the European Union, they are often recognized constitutionally in the countries in which they are spoken.

Date: 2012-06-01 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilithilien.livejournal.com
It's funny, the two places I've lived longest are Canada and Ireland. I've gotten so used to seeing signs in two languages that I only notice now when they're not!

Glad you had a good time in Dublin - that's a great city!

Date: 2012-06-02 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdienl.livejournal.com
Yes, it was really great in Dublin! I so want to see more of Ireland now!

So, you lived in Ireland. Maybe you can help me out. I was surprised how similar Ireland was to England. I had expected it to be more different in a way. For example, the same supermarkets as in England, others shops are also similar, youth behaviour and clothing style is very similar. Is this perhaps just Dublin and is the difference more apparent in the countryside?

Date: 2012-06-02 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilithilien.livejournal.com
Ireland has changed so much, I can't tell you. I left there in 1993 after finishing uni, and made my first visit back last summer when I was living in London. TBH I was shocked at how generic Dublin had gotten. There wasn't a single store on Grafton Street that I couldn't find in London (or Frankfurt, or Toronto) and Moore Street has a Debenham's now FFS! It was definitely not like that when I lived there. I think it's a product of the Green Tiger years. All the money brings all the chain stores. Not to mention that when Ireland was doing well, so many of the people who'd immigrated to London came home, and they wanted the same things they'd gotten accustomed to in London.

I'm not an expert on youth clothing or behaviour - I'm too old for that. I do know that kids always wanted what they saw on telly from the U.S. and U.K. but maybe what's changed is that now they can afford it. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was really, really poor when I was then - unemployment was ridiculously high and more than half of my class left Ireland after graduation. So to see Temple Bar booming like it was and to see young people wearing expensive clothes is an enormous change.

But OTOH a lot of what I saw in Dublin hadn't changed - once you get out of the tourist sections, there are still a huge number of pregnant teens or young girls pushing buggies and way too many kids strung out on heroin.

And yeah, it's not quite like that outside Dublin - it's always been the most Anglo part of the country by far. I'm curious what Galway is like these days. But for this trip, I spent most of my time in Co. Carlow and Kilkenny. What's changed there is that the farmers have gotten filthy rich, which is kind of nice to see and kind of scary too when you see the obscene mansions they've built. Fair dues to them though, they've been poor for long enough!

Date: 2012-06-03 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdienl.livejournal.com
Thanks very much for your extensive reply! I did indeed hear a lot about the Celtic Tiger/Green Tiger years from our tourguide when we went on a Wicklow/Glendalough tour. It's understandable that Dublin would be the most Anglo part of the country, as it was the seat of English power, so maybe next year a holiday to some other county can be planned!

Date: 2012-06-01 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ever-maedhros.livejournal.com
Fascinating! I live in southwestern US, so I see a lot of stuff in both English and Spanish.

I'm curious, what does Frisan sound/look like?

Date: 2012-06-02 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdienl.livejournal.com
Well, how Frisian looks like I can show you: hoi, hoe giet it mei dei? Wat hast hjût allegeare dien? (In which I ask you how you are and what you've been doing today)

If you want to know how it sounds, look at this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cni0pL9cXxA. It's from a local Frisian artist/singer (the guy with the scruffy look), who lives close to my mothers village.

Date: 2012-06-03 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ever-maedhros.livejournal.com
I love how Frisian sounds. (I'm one of those weird people that just likes listening to how a language I don't understand flows. LOL!) Puts me in mind of German right away. Guess that makes sense, since Wikipedia tells me Germany is one of the places where it's spoken. (BTW, I'm doing very well, thank you, and I've had a fun day shopping with my mom. How are you?)

Date: 2012-06-03 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdienl.livejournal.com
Yes, it sounds like German, but there's also some link to English, as the Frisians helped the English in Medieval times with their waterworks.

Date: 2012-06-01 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] richyl88.livejournal.com
Wow that's a lot. Now I'm thankful for just having two official languages lol.

Date: 2012-06-02 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdienl.livejournal.com
Well, you'll go a long way with English and a little bit of German in all of Europe I've found out during multiple holidays!

Date: 2012-06-02 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] florencia7.livejournal.com
You are a native speaker of Frisian! How awesome. I love learning foreign languages although the tricky thing is, the more you learn a particular language the more you understand how much more there is still to learn! Vocabulary never ends ^^

Date: 2012-06-02 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdienl.livejournal.com
Well thanks! It's been always somewhat of an obvious thing to me, but it is kind of special I guess!

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